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 ====== Ramus vs. Vico: How Should Rhetoric be Taught? ======
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 Of what exactly should a curriculum in rhetoric consist?  In “Arguments in Rhetoric Against Quintilian,” Peter Ramus wants to isolate matters he considers essential to the study of rhetoric—style and delivery—leaving dialectical matters to other disciplines.  In “On the Study Methods of Our Time,” Giambattista Vico wants to integrate rhetoric with instruction in other disciplines so that the students will know what they are talking about.  These two men, writing nearly two centuries apart, represent opposite ends of a controversy that is still brewing in the academy today.  Both of them make valid points.  Why muddy up the teaching of rhetoric with many diverse topics not directly bearing upon its practice?  On the other hand, for eloquence to stand for something, it needs a broad base of knowledge upon which to rest.