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learn by means of fiction, nor appropriate for the | learn by means of fiction, nor appropriate for the | ||
Cynic to invent that sort of thing at all, why did we | Cynic to invent that sort of thing at all, why did we | ||
- | not spare that wasteful expense, | + | not spare that wasteful expense, and moreover why |
did we waste our time in inventing and composing | did we waste our time in inventing and composing | ||
trivial myths and then making stories of them and | trivial myths and then making stories of them and | ||
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navigators ? Because, as people say, they despise | navigators ? Because, as people say, they despise | ||
death ; as though bandits were not inspired by the | death ; as though bandits were not inspired by the | ||
- | same frenzied courage ! So says at any rate he 3 who | + | same frenzied courage ! So says at any rate he who |
with you counts as a poet and mythologist, | with you counts as a poet and mythologist, | ||
a Pythian god proclaimed to certain bandits who | a Pythian god proclaimed to certain bandits who | ||
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they entertain their friends with similes and myths, | they entertain their friends with similes and myths, | ||
like the wise men of to-day. For as Euripides well | like the wise men of to-day. For as Euripides well | ||
- | says, 3 " | + | says, " |
truth." | truth." | ||
says, have any use for a mysterious and allusive style. | says, have any use for a mysterious and allusive style. | ||
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dently try to see what sort of myths they must be | dently try to see what sort of myths they must be | ||
that suit one or the other of those two branches of | that suit one or the other of those two branches of | ||
- | philosophy; | + | philosophy; and no longer need we call in the aid of |
witnesses from the remote past for all points, but we | witnesses from the remote past for all points, but we | ||
- | will follow in the fresh footprints of one 4 whom | + | will follow in the fresh footprints of one whom |
next to the gods I revere and admire, yes, equally | next to the gods I revere and admire, yes, equally | ||
with Aristotle and Plato. He does not treat of all | with Aristotle and Plato. He does not treat of all | ||
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to contend with, I mean lack of food and loneliness ; | to contend with, I mean lack of food and loneliness ; | ||
and then there is his journey over the sea itself in | and then there is his journey over the sea itself in | ||
- | a golden cup, 3 though, by the gods, I do not think it | + | a golden cup, though, by the gods, I do not think it |
was really a cup, but my belief is that he himself | was really a cup, but my belief is that he himself | ||
- | walked on the sea as though it were dry land. 4 For | + | walked on the sea as though it were dry land. For |
what was impossible to Heracles ? Which was there | what was impossible to Heracles ? Which was there | ||
of the so-called elements that did not obey his | of the so-called elements that did not obey his | ||
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birth, Zeus in the pangs of travail came to the | birth, Zeus in the pangs of travail came to the | ||
nymphs, and they by their song over the thigh | nymphs, and they by their song over the thigh | ||
- | "Undo the stitching " | + | "Undo the stitching " brought to light for us the |
dithyramb. Whereupon the god was driven mad by | dithyramb. Whereupon the god was driven mad by | ||
Hera, but the Mother of the Gods healed him of his | Hera, but the Mother of the Gods healed him of his | ||
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in sacred things ? For she was J;he daughter of | in sacred things ? For she was J;he daughter of | ||
Phoenician Cadmus, and the god himself bears | Phoenician Cadmus, and the god himself bears | ||
- | witness to the wisdom of the Phoenicians | + | witness to the wisdom of the Phoenicians when he |
says " The Phoenicians too have learned many of the | says " The Phoenicians too have learned many of the | ||
- | roads travelled by the blessed gods." | + | roads travelled by the blessed gods." I think then |
that she was the first among the Greeks to perceive | that she was the first among the Greeks to perceive | ||
that there was to be before long a visible manifes- | that there was to be before long a visible manifes- | ||
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father Zeus among the intelligible gods, and further | father Zeus among the intelligible gods, and further | ||
his birth independently of generation in this our | his birth independently of generation in this our | ||
- | world. | + | world. ... in the whole universe, and in their proper |
order all those other facts which are well worth | order all those other facts which are well worth | ||
studying but too difficult for me at any rate to | studying but too difficult for me at any rate to | ||
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impudence, the insolence, and in a word everything | impudence, the insolence, and in a word everything | ||
of the sort. They say that they are travelling the | of the sort. They say that they are travelling the | ||
- | short and ready road to virtue. | + | short and ready road to virtue. I would that you |
were going by the longer ! For you would more | were going by the longer ! For you would more | ||
easily arrive by that road than by this of yours. | easily arrive by that road than by this of yours. | ||
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instrument. | instrument. | ||
- | So much for that, as the saying is. 3 Now to go | + | So much for that, as the saying is. Now to go |
- | back to the point at which I digressed. | + | back to the point at which I digressed. Since, as I |
was saying, myths ought to be addressed either to | was saying, myths ought to be addressed either to | ||
those who though grown men are children in intelli- | those who though grown men are children in intelli- | ||
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myth-maker. | myth-maker. | ||
- | A certain rich man 2 had numerous flocks of sheep | + | A certain rich man had numerous flocks of sheep |
- | and herds of cattle and " | + | and herds of cattle and " |
and many times ten thousand mares ' ( grazed his | and many times ten thousand mares ' ( grazed his | ||
- | marsh-meadows." | + | marsh-meadows." |
both slaves and hired freedmeii, neatherds and goat- | both slaves and hired freedmeii, neatherds and goat- | ||
herds and grooms for his horses, and many estates | herds and grooms for his horses, and many estates | ||
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themselves had had no better education. Then | themselves had had no better education. Then | ||
ensued a general slaughter, and heaven brought the | ensued a general slaughter, and heaven brought the | ||
- | tragic curse 2 to fulfilment. For " by the edge of the | + | tragic curse to fulfilment. For " by the edge of the |
sword they divided their patrimony" | sword they divided their patrimony" | ||
was thrown into confusion. The sons demolished the | was thrown into confusion. The sons demolished the | ||
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Now when all was in confusion, and many mar- | Now when all was in confusion, and many mar- | ||
- | riages that were no marriages | + | riages that were no marriages were being con- |
cluded, and the laws of god and man alike had | cluded, and the laws of god and man alike had | ||
been profaned, Zeus was moved with compassion | been profaned, Zeus was moved with compassion | ||
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filth and darkness and there is danger that the spark | filth and darkness and there is danger that the spark | ||
of fire which thou didst implant in him will be | of fire which thou didst implant in him will be | ||
- | quenched, unless thou clothe thyself with might. | + | quenched, unless thou clothe thyself with might. |
Take care of him therefore and rear him. For I and | Take care of him therefore and rear him. For I and | ||
the Fates yield thee this task." When King Helios | the Fates yield thee this task." When King Helios | ||
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he reared the child whom he had withdrawn " from | he reared the child whom he had withdrawn " from | ||
the blood and noise of war and the slaughter of | the blood and noise of war and the slaughter of | ||
- | men." | + | men." And father Zeus bade Athene also, the |
Motherless Maiden, share with Helios the task | Motherless Maiden, share with Helios the task | ||
of bringing up the child. And when, thus reared, | of bringing up the child. And when, thus reared, | ||
he had become a youth " With the first down on his | he had become a youth " With the first down on his | ||
- | chin, when youth has all its charms," | + | chin, when youth has all its charms," |
the numerous disasters that had befallen his kinsmen | the numerous disasters that had befallen his kinsmen | ||
and his cousins., and had all but hurled himself into | and his cousins., and had all but hurled himself into | ||
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of this mountain dwells the father of all the gods. | of this mountain dwells the father of all the gods. | ||
Be careful then for herein lies the greatest risk | Be careful then for herein lies the greatest risk | ||
- | of all 2 to worship him with the utmost piety and | + | of all to worship him with the utmost piety and |
ask of him whatever thou wilt. Thou wilt choose, | ask of him whatever thou wilt. Thou wilt choose, | ||
my child, only what is best." So saying Hermes | my child, only what is best." So saying Hermes | ||
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arms he had brought with him. And when she saw | arms he had brought with him. And when she saw | ||
his shield and sword and spear, she said, " But where, | his shield and sword and spear, she said, " But where, | ||
- | my child, is thy aegis 2 and thy helmet ? " e ' Even | + | my child, is thy aegis and thy helmet ? " e ' Even |
these that I have," he replied, " procured with | these that I have," he replied, " procured with | ||
difficulty. For in the house of my kinsfolk there | difficulty. For in the house of my kinsfolk there | ||
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warning also do thou heed, my son. Yonder man | warning also do thou heed, my son. Yonder man | ||
slumbers, and hence he is often deceived, but do | slumbers, and hence he is often deceived, but do | ||
- | thou be sober and vigilant, | + | thou be sober and vigilant, lest the flatterer assume |
the frankness of a friend and so deceive thee ; which | the frankness of a friend and so deceive thee ; which | ||
is as though a smith covered with smoke and cinders | is as though a smith covered with smoke and cinders | ||
should come wearing a white garment and with his | should come wearing a white garment and with his | ||
face painted white, and thus induce thee to give him | face painted white, and thus induce thee to give him | ||
- | one of thy daughters in marriage. | + | one of thy daughters in marriage. My third |
warning to thee is this : do thou very zealously keep | warning to thee is this : do thou very zealously keep | ||
watch over thyself, and reverence us in the first | watch over thyself, and reverence us in the first | ||
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ance of a mouth that foams with morbid rather | ance of a mouth that foams with morbid rather | ||
than inspired madness ? l Do you not know that | than inspired madness ? l Do you not know that | ||
- | Salmoneus | + | Salmoneus in his day was punished by the gods for |
just this, for attempting, though a mortal man, to | just this, for attempting, though a mortal man, to | ||
play the part of Zeus ? Then too there is the | play the part of Zeus ? Then too there is the | ||
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philosopher l now present : and later on I arrived at | philosopher l now present : and later on I arrived at | ||
the threshold of philosophy to be initiated therein | the threshold of philosophy to be initiated therein | ||
- | by the teaching of one 2 whom I consider superior to | + | by the teaching of one whom I consider superior to |
all the men of my own time. He used to teach me | all the men of my own time. He used to teach me | ||
to practise virtue before all else, and to regard the | to practise virtue before all else, and to regard the | ||
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insolence as yours, and tried to make me more | insolence as yours, and tried to make me more | ||
temperate than I was by nature. And though, as you | temperate than I was by nature. And though, as you | ||
- | know, I was armed 3 with great external advantages, | + | know, I was armed with great external advantages, |
nevertheless submitted myself to my preceptor and | nevertheless submitted myself to my preceptor and | ||
to his friends and compeers and the philosophers of | to his friends and compeers and the philosophers of | ||
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the ill-sounding phrase and fill in the blank yourself ! | the ill-sounding phrase and fill in the blank yourself ! | ||
Or rather, if you please, bear with me when I " put | Or rather, if you please, bear with me when I " put | ||
- | it mildly " | + | it mildly " " what part or lot have you in it ? " You |
criticise everybody, though you yourself do nothing | criticise everybody, though you yourself do nothing | ||
to deserve praise ; your praises are in worse taste | to deserve praise ; your praises are in worse taste | ||
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full of soft, deep grass," | full of soft, deep grass," | ||
flowers," | flowers," | ||
- | figures of the same sort. 3 When did Isocrates ever | + | figures of the same sort. When did Isocrates ever |
do this in his panegyrics ? Or when did anyone of | do this in his panegyrics ? Or when did anyone of | ||
those ancient writers who were genuine votaries of | those ancient writers who were genuine votaries of | ||
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Plato ? What was Aristotle' | Plato ? What was Aristotle' | ||
matters ? Is it not worth while to pay attention to | matters ? Is it not worth while to pay attention to | ||
- | this ? Or surely no one will deny that he of Samos 2 | + | this ? Or surely no one will deny that he of Samos |
was reverent ? For he did not even allow the names | was reverent ? For he did not even allow the names | ||
of the gods to be used on a seal, nor oaths to be | of the gods to be used on a seal, nor oaths to be | ||
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ever name pleases her best ; though as for pleasure, | ever name pleases her best ; though as for pleasure, | ||
I know that it has many forms." | I know that it has many forms." | ||
- | he says in the Philebus | + | he says in the Philebus and he says the same sort |
- | of thing again in the Timaeus. | + | of thing again in the Timaeus. For he says that we |
ought to believe directly and without proof what we | ought to believe directly and without proof what we | ||
are told, I mean what the poets say about the gods. | are told, I mean what the poets say about the gods. | ||
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those things that we are permitted to declare, some, | those things that we are permitted to declare, some, | ||
it seems to me, we ought to refrain from uttering to | it seems to me, we ought to refrain from uttering to | ||
- | the vulgar crowd. | + | the vulgar crowd. However the explanation in this |
case is obvious. For since he perceived that the | case is obvious. For since he perceived that the | ||
man who exhorted him to be initiated neglected to | man who exhorted him to be initiated neglected to | ||
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what the hierophant proclaims, when he refuses the | what the hierophant proclaims, when he refuses the | ||
rite of initiation to him " whose hands are not pure | rite of initiation to him " whose hands are not pure | ||
- | or who for any reason ought not ! 3 " | + | or who for any reason ought not ! " |
But where would this discourse end if you are | But where would this discourse end if you are | ||
still unconvinced by what I have said ? | still unconvinced by what I have said ? | ||
+ | //The Loeb Classical Library, Edited by T. E. Page, Litt.D. and W. H. D. Rouse, Litt.D. The Works of the Emporer Julian, Volume II with an English Translation by Winmer Cave Wright, Ph. D.// |
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